Instead, Giuliani said he was "referring to the situation where two people make precisely contradictory statements, the classic "he said, she said" puzzle".
Former FBI Director James Comey, whose firing by Trump led to the appointment of Robert Mueller as special counsel in the Russian Federation investigation, said Sunday that "truth exists and truth matters". You're left to wonder, is Giuliani afraid that Mueller has trouble distinguishing the truth from "the truth" or is he afraid that Trump does?
"I don't even know if they knew she was Russian at the time", Giuliani added during the August 19 interview.
"Any meeting with regard to getting information on your opponent is something any candidate's staff would take", Giuliani said. "And when you tell me he should testify because he's going to tell the truth - that he shouldn't worry - that's so silly because it's somebody's version of the truth, not the truth". He says, "I didn't have to".
Mr Giuliani had said that Mr Trump should not testify to the Russian Federation probe, as he might be "trapped into perjury".
"Truth isn't truth?" Todd said.
Todd responded, "Truth is truth". Todd burst out laughing, pointing out that the sentiment is destined to become a meme of the kind that adorns placards at anti-Trump rallies.
The ex-New York mayor cited as an example former FBI Director James Comey, who has said that Trump pushed him at a private meeting to ease up in the federal investigation of former White House national security adviser Michael Flynn. Preet Bharara, a Democrat who was sacked as federal prosecutor by the Trump administration, suggested "truth isn't truth" would not sound convincing in a trial.
Trump has said he is willing to speak with Mueller's team, but his legal team has expressed opposition to that possibility because they believe the special counsel's investigators could take what Trump says, if it differs from what others have laid out, as a lie.